I spent most of today with Lukas, who's way cool, at the Emerald City ComicCon. I had a good time. This was my first comic con in a long, long while. I saw a lot of what I was expecting; a lot of dealers, with huge stockpiles of back-issues and trades and toys. I spent some money on a buncha stuff that I'd never heard of before, but which was all really cool. There were also a bunch of artists of greater or lesser reknown. I talked to Tony Harris, who I've mentioned before as the artist on Ex Machina and Starman, and told him I was a big fan. I felt stupid for not bringing any books with me for him to sign, but I didn't know in advance that he was going to be there. I saw Scott Kurtz from PVP. I don't read PVP, so I didn't talk to him. I missed Kurt Busiek, who writes Astro City, among other things, and the guys from Penny Arcade. That sorta sucked; I hear they're all cool people.
I went specifically to get my writing looked at by editors. This is pretty much the default way for folks to get comics' work. An editor looks at your stuff at a con, gives you some pointers and, if he thinks you're up for it, throws you some work. Mostly it's artists, so they call it "portfolio review," but no big deal; they look at writers, too, and I've got some scripts done up to show people. There were three guys at the con doing reviews: one from Marvel, one from DC and one from Oni.
Oni was straight out; they're strictly creator-owned finished projects. As in "both art and writing in the can." Since I can't so much draw, that's right out for me.
The DC guy was the Batman line editor, Bob Schreck. Like Batman himself, Mr. Schreck is a shadowy and mysterious figure who moves in the night and never appears where you look for him. I couldn't find his name on any booth, I couldn't find another person who had seen him, no matter how I asked. So much for that.
The Marvel editor wouldn't look at my work, due to my not having signed a Marvel Idea Submission Form. [pdf] I explained that I didn't want to submit an idea, I wasn't looking to push a book, just get my work looked at in consideration for future work, same as the artists. No go. So, the original point of my going to the con turned out to be fruitless, which is more than a little frustrating. I can get over that; there'll be other cons.
But in the meantime I'm wondering what to do about Marvel. I have an idea for a Marvel book; I may have more than one, but I'm not sure yet. With a submissions form, I don't need to wait until a con to show Marvel my stuff; I can just mail it in. Without a submissions form, I'm unlikely to ever get a Marvel editor to look at them. But, well, I don't want to cast aspersions on Marvel's integrity, I'm sure they're just protecting themselves from morons, but the wording of the form is enough to give me pause. It says, in effect, that if they happen to publish a book that's identical to your idea and sort of never mention your name again, well hey, that's not their fault. They might've come up with the idea all on their own.
Which may be entirely true. There are few things so tremendously new and ground-breaking that no mind will come up with anything even remotely similar. And, to be fair, I couldn't dothe things I'm thinking of with some other company; they require the Marvel Universe to work. So if Marvel does them and doesn't want to do them with me, well, it's not like I could've taken the idea elsewhere. But at the same time, right now they're my ideas, dammit, and I feel this funny sense of entitlement to them.
So, this is me soliciting input. Someone please tell me that I'm being, alternately, stupid or smart. I don't promise I'll listen to your advice, but I'd like to hear it.
Comments (10)
I understand your reservations, believe me, but just offhand, I'd say go for it. If they're ideas that really couldn't be done in a framework outside Marvel's establishment, then you don't have much to lose (unless you want to do something like put them out as fanfics or something), and you could potentially have a lot to gain if you get picked up. Having your ideas stolen would suck in a major way, but it seems that if Marvel thinks your stuff is that good, they would benefit more by hiring you to provide them with multiple ideas than they would by stealing one idea and alienating you forever.
Posted by Lukas | February 5, 2005 9:57 PM
Posted on February 5, 2005 21:57
Go for it. That "similar concept" clause is a must in their business because there's so much idea overlap. It's not that people are unoriginal; it's just that the coolest ideas merit multiple treatments. I've seen the ideas I put in my proposal show up in other published works (some comics, some TV). But I had them written down before I saw those other works. So the clause is completely understandable.
Posted by Ben | February 6, 2005 8:40 AM
Posted on February 6, 2005 08:40
Very odd about Oni. While Mignola and Bereton, of "Hellboy" and "Nocturnals" fame respectivly, DO do all their own writing and art, other Oni writers, such as Greg Rucka of "Queen & Country" and "Whitout", often have different artists every story arc!
Maybe they just decided not to bother trying to hook writers and artists up anymore. I dunno.
Shame about Shreck and Marvel, though. That'd have been fucking AWESOME.
Frankly, I'd say "Go for it" with Marvel. If what you're submitting needs to be in the Marvel universe, you have absolutly nothing to lose.
Posted by Bard | February 6, 2005 11:06 AM
Posted on February 6, 2005 11:06
Wish I had read this before speaking with you on AIM. I say jump on that Marvel action and screw the danger. The longer you wait, the more likely someone is to pitch a similar idea themselves. Since you're effectively gated without Marvel, you might as well take the plunge. The alternative is to write a story elsewhere and have Marvel sue your ass.
Besides, I really want to see what happens with your Nick script.
The big house comics industry seems awfully cliquish. And elitist, opportunistic, self-congratulatory and incestuous, but those are discussions for another time.
Posted by Erik | February 6, 2005 12:23 PM
Posted on February 6, 2005 12:23
Thanks for the support, guys. You all make valid points, and I guess I'll get my shit in the mail next week (busy week, this one will be).
Posted by Jason | February 6, 2005 9:52 PM
Posted on February 6, 2005 21:52
like they said man if thats the only chance for a big company to see your work bite the bullet and take it.
Posted by gus | February 7, 2005 9:24 AM
Posted on February 7, 2005 09:24
I've got a growing stack of rejection letters in my junk drawer. I'm still sending out my ideas and specs and manuscripts. Do this.
Posted by Ben | February 7, 2005 8:36 PM
Posted on February 7, 2005 20:36
Oh, I don't fear rejection, Ben. I get rejected all the time (for dates, mostly, but still... ^_- ).
What concerned me about the Marvel thing was the nature of their release form. I'm used to thinking about publishing in terms of pure text genre fiction, where the idea of a form like that is sort of laughable (and did, in fact, get WotC soundly laughed at in a lot of places last year, if I remember it right. Or was it White Wolf?).
In other words: it's not concern over being told to go suck an egg, it's concern over a different way of doing business than I'm familiar with. A concern that my best research on the subject, which tells me that, yup, this is one of the major ways to do it, hasn't been able to alleviate.
Sorry if that wasn't clear in my initial post.
Posted by Jason | February 7, 2005 8:49 PM
Posted on February 7, 2005 20:49
Have you thought about about finding a budding artist and doing a self-published bit? I'm thinking of Shannon WHeeler's 'Too Much Coffee Man' here.
Posted by Ed | February 9, 2005 12:43 PM
Posted on February 9, 2005 12:43
I appreciate the thought, Ed, but self-publishing (leaving aside my minor foray into the world of the pseudo web-comic) is most certainly not for me.
Posted by Jason | February 9, 2005 3:16 PM
Posted on February 9, 2005 15:16